Emilien Boutillat, the youngest winemaker of all the big houses, works at Champagne Piper-Heidsieck. When he started four years ago, he received a "Carte Blanche" from the owners to realise his ideas. This gave rise to the "Hors" series: in 2021, a 1971 was disgorged and released; this year, it is a vintage champagne from 1982 that was aged on its lees for 39 years. Alexander Lupersböck spoke with Emilien Boutillat at the presentation of the Hors 1982 about his plans and the maturity development of champagnes.